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 Post subject: Neat early Kockums Tyfon WIV
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:39 pm 
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Last week on eBay, I got this exceptional deal:
View eBay item number 170156960884

It's a Kockums Tyfon T-125 WIV (with integral valve). The valve stem is inside, between the inlet and the nozzle, just like on the larger steam Tyfons. This horn is serial number 63, very old! I have come across many Leslie A-125s in my time, even an A-125-206, but this is the first time I've seen its ancestor, and the only one I've seen with the built-in valve.

The diaphragm consists of 3 bronze leaves held together with a bronze rivet.


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 Post subject: Re: Neat early Kockums Tyfon WIV
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:45 pm 
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Congrats, Adam,

I saw with satisfaction that you won it and I was about to ask you what's up.
Exceptional horn indeed. How old is it? 50, 60, 70??? Assuming that there were Leslie's copies of this horn before WW2, the serial N° just gives us an idea of its age.

This intergrated valve fooled me. I have been mislead the seller's pics, I though the horn's throat had been half sawed off!!!

This is really great to find such a horn in its developping process. You must feel like if you had found an old steam whistle!!!
And sure you were lucky too to pay such a price!!!

This horn is very similar to my Tyfons 75 & 200, same shape, same power chamber and back tab, same bell...
Just like your 425 DVE comparison, there is certainly some ratio to calculate to get the correct size between the different models.

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Have fun with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Neat early Kockums Tyfon WIV
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:07 am 
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Today I get my Germaniawerft Tyfon. This is the oldest Horn of my collection by now. I don't know the corrrect age. Krupp Germania was founded in 1896 and was closed in 1945.

Its in a good condition and has the standart A200 layout (excepted the the catch of the back ring)

I think this would be a great addition to the collection of bighornshunter Very Happy


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 Post subject: Re: Neat early Kockums Tyfon WIV
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:04 am 
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I admittedly don't know a whole lot about these old Tyfon type horns, but I don't believe I've ever seen one where the inner part of the nozzle is the air inlet. On all the horns I've seen the inner part of the nozzle is the base of the horn's throat. Is the setup of the German horn pictured above common for these older Tyfons? It seems to me that a more strict cylindrical (or conical) shape would be acoustically superior and I'm guessing that's probably why I've never seen one like it before. Either way, it's a nice horn. What's it sound like?

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 Post subject: Re: Neat early Kockums Tyfon WIV
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:46 pm 
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The A series Leslie Tyfons have that same nozzle/inlet setup, if I understand you correctly. Here's the interior of a nice A125 Harvey got on eBay a few weeks ago. It's the cleanest A125 inside that I've ever seen without appearing to have been cleaned up before I got it.


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 Post subject: Re: Neat early Kockums Tyfon WIV
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:04 pm 
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Hi Josh,

You are underlining a problem that has always troubled me. Why making such big cast air intakes instead of just a single hole on the side of the power chamber.
Shall the air go out of the air intake to escape or shall it passes through the troat???

I think that this design might come from the time where horns used to blow on HP steam instead of air. Thus creating the need for heavy duty built power chambers.
Think that all these different horns are built from the same design created once by a swedish engineer who worked on the Kockums' yard in Malmö, Sweden.
They must have something in common.

Please find below the power chambers of some of my different horns from Tyfon design.


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Some more pics in the next post.

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 Post subject: Re: Neat early Kockums Tyfon WIV
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Hmm, interesting. I did not know that. The only single honker I have is a WABCO E2 and it's set up like most other horns (inside of the nozzle vents out through the horn). Maybe I need to get a Leslie Tyfon or two some time in the future so I'll know these things. Thanks Ken and Raoul for the info! It's always nice to learn something new.

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 Post subject: Re: Neat early Kockums Tyfon WIV
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:29 pm 
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On the previous pics, you have one Zollner ZM-200 and two Kockums T-200 from different cast.
The same horns as shown on a previous post.

Below you have two Zollner 125 (one M, train and one TM, marine), an est-german copy of the TM-125 and one Dikkers Triton 150.

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Note that one of the Zollners and the Dikkers do not have the Tyfon styled throat, but a more classic design, like Cunningham.

Any other explanation would be very welcome.

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 Post subject: Re: Neat early Kockums Tyfon WIV
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:57 am 
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adam wrote:
Last week on eBay, I got this exceptional deal:
View eBay item number 170156960884

It's a Kockums Tyfon T-125 WIV (with integral valve). The valve stem is inside, between the inlet and the nozzle, just like on the larger steam Tyfons. This horn is serial number 63, very old! I have come across many Leslie A-125s in my time, even an A-125-206, but this is the first time I've seen its ancestor, and the only one I've seen with the built-in valve.

The diaphragm consists of 3 bronze leaves held together with a bronze rivet.

Hi

This horn is built in my country Sweden, nice one
I will come to the US in March, looking for a mighty horn for my yacht, most at the west coast, do you know any for sale?

Kicken
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 Post subject: Re: Neat early Kockums Tyfon WIV
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:45 pm 
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Good evening from France, Kicken, and welcome on board.

Why do you need to go to the US to pick-up one horn when, I am sure, you could certainly find some good ones in Sweden, the home of all air and steam horns?
Haven't you tried Tradera.com or maritime antiques shops?

Of course you could find some ship horns on the US west coast, especially Cunningham air whistles, and some of them regularly show-up on e-bay, but what a trip for just one horn, unless you have something else to do!!!

What are you looking for?

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